tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post5819189358043555044..comments2024-03-24T04:50:24.607-07:00Comments on Mayiliragu: Beware : Anti-Hindus Are Using Shaivism to Spread Hatred Among Hindus in Malaysia !Vinnith Pullavarayarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08112571673910849298noreply@blogger.comBlogger114125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-17692469078665368102023-08-18T07:32:21.915-07:002023-08-18T07:32:21.915-07:00Rasainthran. Where are your rock inscription or te...Rasainthran. Where are your rock inscription or textual evidence that says "Siva is a Tamil God". Please make sure the word "Siva" and "Tamil" appears in your inscription or textual evidence. Also, you have not answered about the tradition from which you have gotten your interpretation. I mean, which Adheenam is your guru?Elanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15140012260013591530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-63806466090303220912023-01-07T03:30:56.391-08:002023-01-07T03:30:56.391-08:00M Kamalanathan, "vaidika Brahims (u mean Brah...M Kamalanathan, "vaidika Brahims (u mean Brahmins?) forced through the Agamic worshippers to accept fire rituals"...This is your claim based on assumed answer for the question that you asked in your narrative. This is a matter of discussion among authorities in Saivam. Which authority/parampara you belong to? which adheenam mentioned this to you? why I don't see Dharumai adheenam and Kauai Adheenam practicing the opposite of whatever you claim? your interpretation seem to be fringe elements among Saivites. Why don't you establish your authority by debating this at the level that it should be? Why use backdoor to spread your ideology to the masses, hoping for revolt against established parampara? like Marxist? <br />If you have taken such discussion at the level of Adheenams, blessed by them on your interpretation, show us the discussion platform so that Tamils can see for themselves...I'm just helping you to make more credible in your claim. Elanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15140012260013591530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-76011224348209551472023-01-07T03:22:03.312-08:002023-01-07T03:22:03.312-08:00Rasainthran, which Guru Mahasanitham of which adhe...Rasainthran, which Guru Mahasanitham of which adheenam gives you the interpretation that you claim to be true? <br />Can you give any rock inscription or textual evidence that "Siva is a Tamil God". Please make sure the word "Siva" and "Tamil" appears in your inscription or textual evidence. Elanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15140012260013591530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-52222205370628797432023-01-06T22:54:31.241-08:002023-01-06T22:54:31.241-08:00Kamalanathan,
1. May I know which parampara you b...Kamalanathan, <br />1. May I know which parampara you belong to in Saivam? Thirukailaya?<br />2. Which Aadheenam's teaching are you promoting? <br />3. Do you believe in Aryan Invasion Theory? Elanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15140012260013591530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-75651319858761970872022-03-11T00:59:28.077-08:002022-03-11T00:59:28.077-08:00Yajur Veda 40.9, Mr. Kamalanathan learned fron Zak...Yajur Veda 40.9, Mr. Kamalanathan learned fron Zakir Naik probably, lol. Please read the actual <br /> 1.Yajur 40.9<br />http://sivasiddhi1082.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-real-interpretations-that-hindus_22.html?m=1<br /><br />2.Svetasvatara 4.20<br />http://sivasiddhi1082.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-real-interpretations-that-hindus.html?m=1<br /><br />3.Bhagavad Gita 7.20<br />http://sivasiddhi1082.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-real-interpretations-that-hindus.html<br /><br />Sivasiddhihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00402209693109128231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-76803896575708455322021-10-20T19:20:04.389-07:002021-10-20T19:20:04.389-07:00https://shaivam.org/gallery/audio/lecture/lec_othe...https://shaivam.org/gallery/audio/lecture/lec_others/lec_gomathi_vadamozi.mp3<br /><br />https://shaivam.org/gallery/audio/lecture/lec_others/lec_gomathi_vedagama_unmai.mp3<br /><br />to those who are genuinely confused with the ensuing language supremacist brain washing lectures, please do listen to the mp3 audios above. that is the stand of a true SAIVITE. sivasivahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04620217720193512093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-75518947381291871692021-10-04T22:17:18.234-07:002021-10-04T22:17:18.234-07:00well said ayya but i feel its because we have been...well said ayya but i feel its because we have been quiet and go about practising our spiritual path people taken the opportunity to belittle it. the issue here from what i see is love for mother tongue has taken centre stage rather than whats actually in the scriptures. no harm in loving the mother tongue esp tamil as we know how great of a language it is and deva tanmai it has as peruman gave 12 and 14 scriptures for us to understand but at the same time we must not be blind sided to whats actually in the scriptures and blindly quote to suit our emotions/"ideals". i do not support sanskrit supremacist neither tamil supremacist as their views will be one sided. oppression is all over even gnanis faced it but they stood by the words of god and chose not to taint it and spoke the TRUTH. its in every individual to do a proper research in what path they want to follow rather than being a herd on emotional grounds. if we are well read no one can bully us. sivasivahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04620217720193512093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-67794538133797659192021-10-04T21:53:59.327-07:002021-10-04T21:53:59.327-07:00Mr kamalanathan,
1. “your failure to look at deve...Mr kamalanathan, <br />1. “your failure to look at development aagamic saivism vs vedanthic theology” I think you don’t understand that schools of thoughts developed based on what the saints “derive” from the maha vaakiya of the Upanishads. even in aga samayam you see the differences. <br />வேதநூல் சைவநூலென் றிரண்டே நூல்கள்<br /> வேறுரைக்கும் நூலிவற்றின் விரிந்த நூல்கள்<br />ஆதிநூல் அநாதிஅம லன்தருநூ லிரண்டும்<br /> ஆரணநூல் பொதுசைவம் அருஞ்சிறப்பு நூலாம்<br />நீதியினால் உலகர்க்கும் சத்திநிபா தர்க்கும்<br /> நிகழ்த்தியது நீள்மறையி னொழிபொருள்வே தாந்தத்<br />தீதில்பொருள் கொண்டுரைக்கும் நூல்சைவம் பிறநூல்<br /> திகழ்பூர்வம் சிவாகமங்கள் சித்தாந்த மாகும்<br />vedas for ulagathaar and agamas are for sathinipathars, sathinipathars mind you which means anubava paguthi deemed for katra kelvi vallaargal like sanagathi munivargal. you inferred they seek siva peruman due to “realizing” the vedas don’t give sivagathi. say what read sithiyaar song 267 (above) munivars urai then you will understand that siva agamas explains in detail what the vedas say ie soothiram and bashyam pol. selective understanding again. no doubt siva agamam sidantham aagum but read properly and understand munivars urai for it. I hope you don’t tell me you are sathinipathar. I’m for sure not one.<br /> <br />2. “mrgendra agamas refutes the vedantha theology”: there again you don’t understand between Upanishads and commentary on the Upanishad. selective quotes and sweeping statement again. do look into mrgendra agama vidya pada intro chapters at least who is the principal lord in the vedas. don’t give me the yarn Rudra mentioned there is not peruman, we are talking about the mrgendra agama quoting it since you quoted mrgendra agama why want to be selective. <br /><br />3. did the author say he didn’t accept the agamic authority? if I’m not mistaken he clearly told you vedas is science and its application is agamam. <br />4. now are you a saivite in first place for being selective with your quotes by disregarding siva peruman? <br />sivasivahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04620217720193512093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-83431646931113806532021-10-04T05:36:39.120-07:002021-10-04T05:36:39.120-07:00Mr Kamalanathan,
1. “meikandar saathiram succumb...Mr Kamalanathan, <br />1. “meikandar saathiram succumb to the pressure of vaidika Brahmins and chose to accept vedas pothu and sirappu”- I vehemently refute it based on gnani’s are sivaperuman no sweeping statements here based on some one sided reading that puts thirukailaya parampara as mere mortals like us. Gnanis are siva peruman please read thoroughly 10th nurpa maapadiyam. I hope you don’t deny the stature of meikandar as described in sirappu paayiram. You are trying to say meikandar succumb to the pressure is it? paranjothy munivar who gave upadesam to meikandar is mere mortals like us is it? <br />2. “Compromise set forth if differences prevail and agamic theology to be looked at and told in maha bashiya” did you read the sirappu paayiram fully? in so many instances munivar quotes and gives kandanam to people who say vedas and agamas are muran/selective pramanam, one of which “vedatitkum sivaagamatitkum vetrumai kandilem”, sivalinga pusai, thiruneetru uthirakkam tarithal both is in veda and siva agama and since both karuta oruvaneh aagalaan porul ondreh for both. Please know the difference, Vedanta as in Upanishads and commentaries given for Upanishads called Vedanta too. I believe you would know the difference of pothu and sirappu if you read the sirappu paayiram maapadiyam(do read from thoola aruntathi nyayam explanation onwards) so please no sweeping statements or selective quotes. You accused the author for being selective ie kolgai yetravaaru etc, I actually gather that from you based on the sirappu paayiram maapadiyam metkols you gave. <br />3. you quoted thirumurai 1.53.6 and 1.48.1 and the most baffling you mentioned skanda mahapurana, some people here don’t accept the authority of it. I ‘m reading kantha puranam by kachiappar sivachariyar, so I believe i can still quote based on verse 33 from it. Song 415 utpatthi kaandam meru padalam – gist being: makkal yentha thevargal vananginaalum av vanakkam yellam sivan thiruadiyil serum. not denying the agamas but reminder vedas from sivan. about your mandara malai statement, I read somewhere its mentioned in upapurana saura puranam chapter 45 or something. I haven’t read the skanda mahapuranam. <br />sivasivahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04620217720193512093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-10816431429961685932021-10-03T11:57:58.717-07:002021-10-03T11:57:58.717-07:00மலேசியாவிலிருக்கும் இந்த நாகப்பன் மற்றும் அவரது சீ...மலேசியாவிலிருக்கும் இந்த நாகப்பன் மற்றும் அவரது சீடர்கள், இதுபோல உளருவதே வழக்கம். ஏற்கனவே டெலிகிராம் குழுவிலிருந்து இதுபோல உளறியதற்கும்அவதூறாக பேசியதற்கும் நீக்கப்பட்டார். பிறகு இவரிடமிருந்து பண உதவி பொருளுதவி பெற்றவர் தமிழகத்தில் நடத்தும் வாட்சப் குழுவில் இவரின் உளரல்களை கேள்விகேட்ட எம்போன்றவர்களை விலக்கி விட்டார்.<br />உளருவார்களிடம் பேசினால் அவர் திருந்தப்போவதுமில்லை.Senthil Muruganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04080036051814012549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-15201374826724359112021-09-30T09:39:15.327-07:002021-09-30T09:39:15.327-07:00You have only denied what I have said, which is yo...You have only denied what I have said, which is your right, but you have not proven me wrong. I still retain that "Hinduism" is nothing but pure hagiography and there is not an instance where Siva was officially a part of Hinduism. You have not proved it is NOT so. Please proof it.<br /><br />1. Vedas is a useless book. Repeat – VEDAS is a useless book for THEOLOGY. Provide me the Mandala and one FULL Chapter of intellectual substance and I will retract this statement. And all who accept the VEDAS were either DECEIVED or were PURE STUPID. This includes all the Nayanmars.<br /><br />2. Yes, my "fanaticism is nothing less than terrorism" against individuals who are going full throttle to ESTABLISH that, "Tamils are stupid and that they do not have a religion of their own". It is also against ALL VEDIC HINDUS who forced the destruction of ALL the SIVA BASED THEOLOGIES that were established way before APPAR was born.<br /><br />3. It will be easier for the VEDIC HINDUS to build temples for their " 33 VEDIC Gods" and do what they like and leave our indigenous GODS alone. That will solve everybody’s problem.<br /><br />4. SIVA is A Tamil God, and we can take care of it without your VEDAS and HINDUISM. You just take care of your 33 Gods, because they are the dead Gods of the Vedas.<br /><br />Rasainthiran Menayah<br />September 30, 2021<br />Rajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18409698638139956554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-24551659319024292002021-09-29T18:19:11.568-07:002021-09-29T18:19:11.568-07:00Dr vinnith, darma ayya has got the title thirumura...Dr vinnith, darma ayya has got the title thirumurai chemmal he will not demean the thirumurais as adulterated. I have not heard him say so. Mr kamalanathan appears to be in support of darma ayya from the comments above but i believe he might belong to a teacher who believe thirumurais are adulterated or it might be from his reading somewhere. true saivites in general will fear to put stamp or brandish their scriptures because gnanis are siva peruman himself and it will be an act of aanavam too. shanthinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-77433606123601680362021-09-29T15:55:03.745-07:002021-09-29T15:55:03.745-07:00A very intense debate indeed.As a neutral observer...A very intense debate indeed.As a neutral observer,being an agnostic atheist myself,I would like to give my views<br /><br />(1) The article is written with clear bullet strong prove<br />(2) While the Tamizh favouring saiva people write lengthy explanations,none of them have debunked any of the points other than the possibility of christian inculturation of the respectable author.<br /><br />I agree that respectable Mr.Kamalanathan has great knowledge but none of them can actually prove the points in the article wrong.When cornered,Mr kamalanathan desperately strikes with statements like 'adulteration' which is a clear sign of defeat which I agree.<br /><br />Mr Kamalanathan and his fellow team-mates only try to divert the attention of audience away from the main points presented in the article with lengthy words which are not related to the article.<br /><br /><br />Nathannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-68790992758056447742021-09-29T09:25:15.696-07:002021-09-29T09:25:15.696-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Sharmalan Thevarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15905439167704608705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-46751124752526723642021-09-29T09:20:44.515-07:002021-09-29T09:20:44.515-07:00Not cutting off Shanti but getting everyone to fo...Not cutting off Shanti but getting everyone to focus on the crux of the matter. The whole purpose of the article was to highlight the alienation of Sanskrit and Vedic tradition by certain groups with vested interest. When reference from Tirumurai were given, the members of the concerned group were trying to divert the topic by ignoring reference from Tirumurai. That's all. Sharmalan Thevarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15905439167704608705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-18686303769124957342021-09-29T08:38:31.375-07:002021-09-29T08:38:31.375-07:00Hi,I am not blocking your comments unless they are...Hi,I am not blocking your comments unless they are spams.. I only blocked your comment in which you kept referring the thirumurai as an adulterated scripture..Vinnith Pullavarayarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112571673910849298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-14402344578403140412021-09-29T08:37:33.483-07:002021-09-29T08:37:33.483-07:00This is a very biased opinion.Sembiyar is only res...This is a very biased opinion.Sembiyar is only responding ( with valid evidences ) to a cult organisation under the banner of 'saiva siddhantam' which is spreading hatred towards a particular caste,clan and language.<br /><br />Darmalingam and his supporters are the ones who are willing to sabotage the thirumurai and brand is as 'adulterated' just because it doesn't agree to their views.Vinnith Pullavarayarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112571673910849298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-22484421281165728522021-09-29T01:46:56.739-07:002021-09-29T01:46:56.739-07:00I find these comments or intellectual discourse ve...I find these comments or intellectual discourse very intense and enriching. However, statements by Sembiyar 28th September 2021 at 00:53 are totally uncalled for and total disrespect to someone whom you don't share your values or different in opinions.kkalainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-11945679239282429742021-09-28T22:54:54.635-07:002021-09-28T22:54:54.635-07:00i was under the impression the author was referrin...i was under the impression the author was referring to the saiva sidantha movement in malaysia esp with the "lets look at shaiva sidantham itself" he started off with that and he quoted sangam lit too. saiva sidantham is the tatuvam or philosophical aspect of the saiva samayam, 12 thirumurai and 14 meikandar saathiram are the tenets so you cannot eliminate or i would say cut off one from another conveniently even for argument or point sake. no authority to do so in fact as the aadhinaems are torch bearers. you need the philosophy to understand whats written in thirumurai. the tamil movement cut off the vedic aspect and you cut off meikandar from thirumurai under the pretext he is not nayanmar nor sidhar just as selective as everyone else but rather quote under the pretext of Shaiva Sidantham. shanthinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-55884534694986601792021-09-28T22:03:46.172-07:002021-09-28T22:03:46.172-07:00Mr. Vinnith, your are blocking my replies and lett...Mr. Vinnith, your are blocking my replies and letting others to post their comments. As you are biased in your action, there is no point posting any further comments. M KAMALANATHANnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-42180319099912052382021-09-28T20:50:49.562-07:002021-09-28T20:50:49.562-07:00Dear Shanti, Good morning to you
With due respect...Dear Shanti, Good morning to you<br /><br />With due respect, I am not putting down Meykandar. In fact I admire him alot. However, my argument was based on the Thirumurai and as we all know, Meykandar is neither a Nayanmar nor a Siddhar. His works are great but not part of the Thirumurai. Therefore, when we quote the Thirumurai we should give our points based on that alone. I believe that is what the author of this blog tried to highlight as he was only referring to Nayanmars and the Thirumurai. But some deviated in their comments by referring to works of non-Nayanmars. Thank you.Sharmalan Thevarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15905439167704608705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-13875692732544939372021-09-28T20:38:35.127-07:002021-09-28T20:38:35.127-07:00Your failure to look at the development of Agamic ...Your failure to look at the development of Agamic Saivism, particularly its theology in Southern India in relation to the Vedantic theology shows your shallow knowledge of Saivism. <br /><br />Mrgendra Agama refutes the Vedanta theology as shown in my posting on 26-9-2021 @ 19:21. You have not accepted the Agamic authority. So where do you stand? Are you a Saivite in first place? If not, why are you passing disparaging remarks about Mr. Dhamalingam and Dr. Nagappan when they are repeating what was said in the Siddhanta Saivism. <br /><br />The Pauskara Agama states that the Vedas only explains the bondage of souls up to the 24 Atma Tattvas as expounded in the Vedanta theology while the Siva Agamas showed the path to final liberation with 36 tattvas which includes the pure maya tattvas and its purposes. Hence, the soul could not attain the final liberation without reaching the pure maya tattvas where Lord Siva pervades as pati. It was explained so in the Pauskara Agama – Njaana Pada: Revelation of the Agamas: verse 68 & 69 as follows:<br /><br />“Although the Vedas and others constitute another path, the initial part of the Vedas and those Scriptures composed by Brahma, Vishnu and others propose the goals which constitute the bondage of the individual soul. This is because they have prevalence only up to the categories (tattvas) admitted therein. The path of final liberation, however, lies beyond the enjoyment of heavenly pleasures and such other enjoyments.”<br /><br />The above is the explanation of Siddhanta Saivism in relation to final liberation of soul. <br /><br />திருநெறி யாவது சித்தசித் தன்றிப்<br />பெருநெறி யாய பிரானை நினைந்து<br />குருநெறி யாஞ்சிவ மாநெறி கூடும்<br />ஒருநெறி ஒன்றாக வேதாந்தம் ஓதுமே<br />(10;1 – வேதச் சிறப்பு – 4)<br /> <br />The meaning of the above verse:<br /><br />`வீட்டு நெறியாவது, ஞானாசிரியன்வழி உளதாவதாய், சித்தும், அசித்தமாய் இருதிறப்பட்டு நிற்கும் உலகத்தை நினையாமல், “அவை அனைத்தையும் கடந்து நிற்கும் சிவபெருமான் ஒருவனையே நினைந்து அவனாந் தன்மையைப் பெறுகின்ற ஒரு நெறியே” என வேத முடிவு ஒருதலையாக அறுதியிட்டுக் கூறும்.<br /><br />The explanatory Note: <br /><br />‘அதனால், வேதத்தைச் செய்தவன் சிவபெருமானே’என்பது குறிப்பெச்சம்.<br /><br />You have been saying that the Vedas are apaurusheya meaning it is NOT the words of human or prusha.<br /><br />Then why you are relying upon the abovesaid verse in Thirumantiram which is against your point of view? Now, do you see who is hypocrite in this instance?<br /><br />That is why I am saying the Thirumantiram text of present day has been adulterated after the Vaidika Saivism penetrated the Agamic Saivism in Tamil Nadu.<br /><br />Do you accept the Vedas as ‘apaurusheya’ or pronounced by Lord Siva?<br /><br /><br />M KAMALANATHANnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-42837038456470132292021-09-28T19:52:35.850-07:002021-09-28T19:52:35.850-07:00sir with due respect, please respect the sentimen...sir with due respect, please respect the sentiments of saivites who hail meikandar as sivan himself. do not dissect academically or put some history stamp just trying to prove a point to the NGOs on what is tamil saivism. I believe you are also trying to stress the point not to hurt other people’s practises so I believe you will be tactful in what you are addressing too. gnanis are above time and human intellect so please do not "brandish" meikandar that he is not a nayanmar and sidha. you mentioned about guruparampara, so below is quoted in munnurai by the then kumaraswami tampiran of dharmapuram aadhinaem in 2008 during a book release. <br />வேதம் பசு; அதன்பால் மெய் ஆகமம்; நால்வர்<br />ஓதும் தமிழ் அதனின் உள்ளுறு நெய் - போதம்மிகு<br />நெய்யின் உருசுவையால் நீள்வெண்ணெய் <br />மெய்கண்டான் செய்த தமிழ் நூலின் திறம்.<br />shanthinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-39013351456738886482021-09-28T18:37:54.447-07:002021-09-28T18:37:54.447-07:00mr kamalanathan, you speak for yourself you have n...mr kamalanathan, you speak for yourself you have no authority to speak for other saivites. let me put this, if you are true practicing saivite you will understand peruman is the very reason behind all school of thoughts as illustrated in 8th nurpa sithiyaar. <br /><br /><br />1-108-1<br />வேத வேள்வியை நிந்தனை செய்துழல்<br />ஆத மில்லியமணொடு தேரரை<br />வாதில் வென்றழிக் கத்திரு வுள்ளமே<br />பாதி மாதுட னாய பரமனே <br />ஞால நின்புக ழேமிக வேண்டுந்தென்<br />ஆல வாயி லுறையுமெம் மாதியே.<br />1-108-2<br />வைதி கத்தின் வழியொழு காதவக்<br />கைத வம்முடைக் காரமண் தேரரை<br />எய்தி வாதுசெ யத்திரு வுள்ளமே<br />மைதி கழ்தரு மாமணி கண்டனே <br />ஞால நின்புக ழேமிக வேண்டுந்தென்<br />ஆல வாயி லுறையுமெம் மாதியே<br />1-56-2<br />சடையினன் சாமவேதன் சரி கோவண வன்மழுவாட்<br />படையினன் பாய்புலித்தோ லுடை யான்மறை பல்கலைநூல்<br />உடையவ னூனமில்லி யுட னாயுமை நங்கையென்னும்<br />பெடையொடும் பேணுமிடம் பிர மாபுரம் பேணுமினே.<br />1-58-6<br />வேதமாய் வேள்வியாகி விளங் கும்பொருள் வீடதாகிச்<br />சோதியாய் மங்கைபாகந் நிலை தான்சொல்ல லாவதொன்றே<br />சாதியான் மிக்கசீராற் றகு வார்தொழுஞ் சாத்தமங்கை<br />ஆதியாய் நின்றபெம்மா னய வந்தி யமர்ந்தவனே.<br />1-65-9<br />அங்கமாறும் வேதநான்கு மோதுமய னெடுமால்<br />தங்கணாலு நேடநின்ற சங்கரன் றங்குமிடம்<br />வங்கமாரு முத்தமிப்பி வார்கட லூடலைப்பப்<br />பங்கமில்லார் பயில்புகாரிற் பல்லவ னீச்சரமே.<br />1-64-9<br />பொய்யாவேத நாவினானும் பூமகள் காதலனும்<br />கையாற்றொழுது கழல்கள்போற்றக் கனலெரி யானவனூர்<br />மையார்பொழிலின் வண்டுபாட வைகைமணி கொழித்துச்<br />செய்யார்கமலந் தேனரும்புந் தென்றிருப் பூவணமே.<br /><br />12-54-5<br />சைவநெறி வைதிகத்தின்<br /> தருமநெறி யொடுந்தழைப்ப<br />மைவளருந் திருமிடற்றார் <br /> மன்னியகோ யில்களெங்கும்<br />மெய்வழிபாட்டு அர்ச்சனைகள் <br /> விதிவழிமேன் மேல்விளங்க<br />மொய்வளர்வண் புகழ்பெருக <br /> முறைபுரியும் அந்நாளில்<br /><br />thirugnanasambandhar also mentioned that these schools of thoughts created by peruman.<br /><br />1-36-10<br />துணைநன் மலர்தூய்த் தொழுந்தொண் டர்கள்சொல்லீர்<br />பணைமென் முலைப்பார்ப் பதியோ டுடனாகி<br />இணையில் லிரும்பூ ளையிடங் கொண்டவீசன்<br />அணைவில் சமண்சாக் கியமாக் கியவாறே<br /><br />mr kamalanathan, tamil language is revered and i firmly believe thirumurais are manthras and so please dont spoil the sanctity of these by appearing to be giving selective metkols and trying to speak for gnanis without reading properly, this will give a wrong implication to people. thirugnanasambandhar hailed the tamil language and at the same time he didnt allow others to preach falsehood as i have given metkol above, at least this is what i gather from my sitruarivu.who am i even to give metkols from thirugnanasambandhar song but i had to because you commented haphazardly as if speaking for all saivites and dragged gnanis in sweeping statement. <br />shanthinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3852430038218412861.post-88789866335066522762021-09-28T06:42:51.560-07:002021-09-28T06:42:51.560-07:00Meykandar Sastras and Sivagnanabotham were written...Meykandar Sastras and Sivagnanabotham were written about 1,500 years after Tirumantiram. Tirumular's Tirumantiram is a prime source of Tamil Saivism because it is part of the Tirumurai. Meykandar's works are secondary source and it is not part of Tirumurai. Tirumular is a Nayanmar and a Siddha, Meykandar is not.<br /><br />The Tirumantiram is not just the oldest available Tamil scripture for Saivism, it is also the most authoritative. As such, Meykandar Sastras or later day work cannot be used as a yardstick when defining Saivism from the Tamil perspective. You still have to refer back to the Tirumurai especially the Tirumantiram. <br /><br />The problem with many present day Tamil Saivas is that they read a few lines of Meykandar's work, memorise few Thevaram songs and think they know everything about Saivism. They listen blindly to certain NGOs without cross checking with the contents of Tirumurai or even the Tirumantiram in particular. These NGOs are often headed by individuals with ulterior motives and they are not from any legitimate Guru parampara of Saivism. <br /><br />Saivas should also read the publications of established Saiva adheenams such as Thiruvavaduthurai Adheenam or Dharumapuram Adheenam as they are from legitimate parampara.Sharmalan Thevarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15905439167704608705noreply@blogger.com